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This is a discussion on best form of self defense within the Self Defense forums, part of the Survival Skills Forum category; if you was going to learn something like karate, martial arts, taekwondo, or something like that what would be the ...

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    best form of self defense

    if you was going to learn something like karate, martial arts, taekwondo, or something like that what would be the best for self defense in a survival situation?

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    Karate makes me think too much of self defense from like a mugger or rapist which would be a good to know but karate is based off of always being on the defensive. In a real post apocalyptic situation your best defense might actually require delivering first strikes. In the combat arms of the military they teach various ground fighting techniques which are a form of mixed martial arts. So any forms of hand to hand combat spark my interest. But to engage in anything of this nature a person must have the discipline to only use force as needed. This also adds to the importance of being physical fit for survival.
    “Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.” Luke 10:19

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    I've never taken a class, but krav maga seems up close and personal. Very expensive too.

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    I've never even heard of krav maga, I guess I'm going to have to look into that.
    “Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.” Luke 10:19

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    +1 to Karate.It's good to learn and practice.
    By the way I am a green belt holder !

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    Quote Originally Posted by syncvb View Post
    +1 to Karate.It's good to learn and practice.
    By the way I am a green belt holder !
    What actual level/degree is that I've heard Green being anywhere from 7th to 5th? But as far I know all the karate belt sequences end in Purple, then Brown, and then Black always being the top first degree correct?
    “Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.” Luke 10:19

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    At my advanced age..I tend to with a high pitched scream to hurt my attackers eardrums..followed by a string of cursewords that make no sense to me or the attacker (also in scream mode) followed by a disgustion smell emanating from the seat area of my pants!..hey, its worked so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by azurevirus View Post
    followed by a disgustion smell emanating from the seat area of my pants!..hey, its worked so far

    I'm empty, have at it, lol.

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    lol, seen a girl on twitter the other day tweet, "my rape whistle is a .380!"
    “Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.” Luke 10:19

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    I don't think one form of self defense is the best. They all have merit, and they will all help you. Practice and awareness of your situation; having the mind set that you will not be a victim; arming yourself at all times so that the force multipliers are in your favor will all be factors. Whatever form of self defense you decide to practice should include situational training so you are prepared to take on whatever life throws at you.

    I personally have a brown belt in Tae-Kwon-Do, but still conceal carry, and carry a knife. Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

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    Krav Maga gets my vote. It was developed by the Israelis just after they were reformed as a nation and had to defend themselves from all sides. They had very little time to train their troops as they were being attacked from day one. Therefore, they based it gross motor skills that were easy to remember in a situation of panic. Every defensive move is coupled with multiple offensive strikes with violence of action. It is taught to law enforcement. There were several in my classes. The guy who invented it took parts from other martial arts, the original mixed martial arts fighting, out of necessity for survival. I personally hav never heard of someone defending themselves or their stuff / family with taekwando (I'm sure it has happened, though) but all IDF (Israeli defense forces) are trained in Krav.

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    No offense, vbreferee. I have never taken Taekwando so know nothing about its value in self defense. Your comment about a firearm is spot on.

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    Giga - no offense taken. Tae Kwon Do would be considered a hard form of Karate, as opposed to a soft form like Tai Chi. I was very fortunate to train with several professional kick boxers at the time, so it was mixed martial arts and boxing. The main instructor also focused on situational every day attacks and personal self defense, so we all felt well prepared. Krac Maga also seems to be an excellent discipline. My son has looked into it, but I do not know anyone who has practiced. If anybody does self defense correctly in this world it is the Israelis. Many of the top Mixed-Martial Arts professionals fighting today practice Krav Maga.

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    What is the martial arts that steven segal uses? Always seemed to use the force an the weight of the opponent against him.

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    I believe Steven Segal practiced, Aikido, a Japanese style. He was supposedly a World Champion although I don't follow those tournaments or rankings.

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    Karate is fine, but I think it's important to double up on wrestling. I took Karate for years and in 6th grade a wrestler decided he was ticked off at me. That's when I discovered the importance of wrestling.
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    When its all said and done karate and mixed martial arts is still a sport. The absolute best self defense training you could get is one that is designed for real life situations in which hand to hand combat and ground fighting techniques determine your fate in a life or death situation. I personally know of people who've been highly trained in ways to kill without the need of a weapon and still relied on a very unconventional weapon to take the life of a enemy. Training and skills only increase the odds but its never no guarantee what you're up against.

    Quote Originally Posted by vbreferee View Post
    I believe Steven Segal practiced, Aikido, a Japanese style. He was supposedly a World Champion although I don't follow those tournaments or rankings.
    Might be a little off topic but Steven Segal is now working for the US Border Patrol Agency in west Texas.
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    People who practice and understand the Martial Arts truly have my respect. I suck at trying to remember locks, holds, etc...under stress. I'm almost completely dependent on firearms. I guess that's why I haven't missed a UFC pay per view since 2006, that stuff is wild.
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    Being I am an old fart I cant hope to beat a younger powerful attacker the mind is willing but the body cant keep up I have to think that if some one wants to woop my ass they are not going to stop when I say uncle so I wont hesitate to use the equalizer.And if its the shtf I wont let it get far.Ill Glock there world.

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    Otis - right on! If the fight is short, and I strike first I may be O.K. but I am way past taking on street thugs, or out running anybody, unless we are racing to the bar. Seriously, I always have a couple of friends with me: Mr. Smith, and Mr. Wesson, or Mr. Sig and Mr. Sauer.

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    Kempo is a good art. Ive trained for five years. I dont think that ANY martial Art would be prudent during a Zombie Outbreak. i dont think it would be wise to get to close for fear of being bitten. I would save it for the surviving humans rather than the dead!

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    I've studied Hapkido, boxed, and more recently MMA(Muy Thai,wrestling,BJJ). I've taken something from all of them. So I would say no martial art is the best. They all have something to contribute when it comes to self defense or combat. I would say building a strong body, a warrior mentality, becoming proficient with a weapon, and training in whatever matrial art you choose would be your best bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otis302 View Post
    Being I am an old fart I cant hope to beat a younger powerful attacker the mind is willing but the body cant keep up I have to think that if some one wants to woop my ass they are not going to stop when I say uncle so I wont hesitate to use the equalizer.And if its the shtf I wont let it get far.Ill Glock there world.
    Krav Maga is for you. It was developed to work for everyone since the Israli Defense Force was manned by young men, old men, women, whomever is available when it was first formed in the 40s. Their supply of military age men was depleted during world war II.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vbreferee View Post
    I believe Steven Segal practiced, Aikido, a Japanese style.
    Sorry, I have to point out that Aikido (specializes in throwing and dibilitating opponents) is actually Korean, as is Tae Kwon Do (hand and foot techniques). Both my wife and I have trained in TKD. I hold a 6th degree green and she is a 1st degree black and often acts as an assistant instructor under the 5th degree black that runs the school.

    I'm a firm believer that everyone should learn some style of martial arts/self defense training. It doesn't really matter what style you learn, just that you have the knowledge and motor instincts drilled into you so that you can and will respond as needed should the situation demand.
    "The art of war teaches us to rely not on the likelihood of the enemy's not coming, but on our own readiness to receive him; not on the chance of his not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have made our position unassailable."

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    marine training manuals can give many useful tips on techniques used to keep marines alive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Sonderberg View Post
    Sorry, I have to point out that Aikido (specializes in throwing and dibilitating opponents) is actually Korean, as is Tae Kwon Do (hand and foot techniques).
    I have to disagree. Aikido is a Japanese martial art. It was founded by a Japanese man -Morihei Ueshiba- in Japan
    Who was a student another Japanese martial Daitō-ryū Aiki-jūjutsu.
    http://www.aikidofaq.com/history/osensei.html

    You might have got it confused with Hapkido which is Korean. I held a Green belt with 2 stripes all the way back in high school. It's like Tkd mixed with Aikido.
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    They used to say the only good defence was OFFENCE!

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    'a lot of people point out that krav maga is a great form of self defense, and it is. They point out that it is practiced by the IDF- never forget the IDF are conscripts, Please don't start the hating, I'm not trying to raise any hackles here or bate any person into a pro or anti Israel(coincidentally I am pro Israel) argument. What is not debatable is that their army is not full of 100% willing soldiers like the military of the U.S. The KRAV they are training is not a hollywood softened up version either though. If you check out Itay Gil or Moshe under Krav, they are studs. Have you ever gone to a TKD dojang where the students never put on any sparring gear, there are no head gear chest protectors or anything to spar with in the entire school. And then you go into a school where students spar 2 or 3 days a week. Who is getting better instruction? Have you been to a BJJ school or MMA school where they never put on safety gear and start from a stand up and can stay up or go to the ground and allow striking the whole time? The U.S. now uses Combatives a mix of BJJ and striking(pretty darn good combination). I've never seen an Aikido black belt win a ufc fight. I've seen some well trained MMA guys throw their discipline out the window in the second round, going from straight in effective punchers to crap slinging hay makers-coincidentallly some were MY well trained fighters.(also coincidentally that gives a coach a bad case of the ass) If I had to put a perfect martial art system together, it would be the knife/stick work from fma(kali/escrima/arnis) ,add the science of 8 limbs-Muay Thai, of course the world proven submission grappling of BJJ face it gracie JJ has won more titles than any other, American (or U.S. for some) wrestling take downs -folk free and Greco-they are the best take downs, the gun disarms of Krav Maga, add effective marksmanship (instinctive point shooting and known distance shooting) and that would constitute every facet of self defense i can imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boisdarc View Post
    'a lot of people point out that krav maga is a great form of self defense, and it is. They point out that it is practiced by the IDF- never forget the IDF are conscripts, Please don't start the hating, I'm not trying to raise any hackles here or bate any person into a pro or anti Israel(coincidentally I am pro Israel) argument. What is not debatable is that their army is not full of 100% willing soldiers like the military of the U.S. The KRAV they are training is not a hollywood softened up version either though. If you check out Itay Gil or Moshe under Krav, they are studs. Have you ever gone to a TKD dojang where the students never put on any sparring gear, there are no head gear chest protectors or anything to spar with in the entire school. And then you go into a school where students spar 2 or 3 days a week. Who is getting better instruction? Have you been to a BJJ school or MMA school where they never put on safety gear and start from a stand up and can stay up or go to the ground and allow striking the whole time? The U.S. now uses Combatives a mix of BJJ and striking(pretty darn good combination). I've never seen an Aikido black belt win a ufc fight. I've seen some well trained MMA guys throw their discipline out the window in the second round, going from straight in effective punchers to crap slinging hay makers-coincidentallly some were MY well trained fighters.(also coincidentally that gives a coach a bad case of the ass) If I had to put a perfect martial art system together, it would be the knife/stick work from fma(kali/escrima/arnis) ,add the science of 8 limbs-Muay Thai, of course the world proven submission grappling of BJJ face it gracie JJ has won more titles than any other, American (or U.S. for some) wrestling take downs -folk free and Greco-they are the best take downs, the gun disarms of Krav Maga, add effective marksmanship (instinctive point shooting and known distance shooting) and that would constitute every facet of self defense i can imagine.
    Can't find fault in anything you said. I knew we would get along,lol. But seriously your on point with everything said. But just to add maintaining the warrior mindset and being physically fit. Training in the gym I've known good fighters who don't take physical fitness seriously and pay for it later. Also having the warrior mindset is very important. Just cause you train MMA,karate,Muay Thai,etc doesnt mean you have it(Warrior Mindset).I personally feel these 2 things go along with selfdefense.
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    Krav Maga and Yaw-yan.

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